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Post by Mahatma__Ganhdi on Nov 18, 2020 17:14:09 GMT -6
"The current leader calls himself Afro-Cuban"
He is Afro-Cuban regardless of what he calls himself. There are a lot of blacks and other minorities in the Proud Boys with some police estimates being as high as 20%.
"You could have cited the four steps for membership to the Proud Boys but you stopped after the first."
There is only one step for membership. There are then degrees like Masons. You are confusing membership with the degrees. The fourth-degree proud boy is one that got into a fight with an Antifa type person and got arrested.
You quoted Gavin but you should watch the full interview with Joe Rogan and you will see that he does not believe all the things you have attributed to him. He is also a professional troll.
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Post by okie on Nov 18, 2020 21:08:25 GMT -6
The Southern Poverty Law Center defines Proud Boys as a white nationalist group.
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Post by okie on Nov 18, 2020 21:09:40 GMT -6
"I pulled it from my head. I am well educated formally in political philosophy." I don't doubt any of that. But the classification of Fascists by those categories predates your thoughts on the subject. How so? |
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Post by x on Nov 18, 2020 22:24:06 GMT -6
I saw that Rogan interview the day it came out. Proud boys was supposed to full on troll that was hilariously and tragically taken quite literally.
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Post by okie on Nov 19, 2020 10:18:00 GMT -6
"I pulled it from my head. I am well educated formally in political philosophy." I don't doubt any of that. But the classification of Fascists by those categories predates your thoughts on the subject. How so? I mean, my thoughts on the subject were as it applies to Trump. I made that characterization years ago when I knew it would be scoffed at, but political scientists are certainly not scoffing at it now. Calling someone a fascist has not been taken seriously, and making comparisons to Hitler has been, “you don’t go there” territory. I felt the same way until I saw who Donald Trump is. Honestly, I did not know anything about the politics of Trump until 2015 when he started getting attention as a viable candidate. I also had no idea that blatant racism was so prevalent in this country. I see three primary voting blocks for Trump. 1. The pocketbook voter that is narrowly focused upon their personal economics. 2. The single issue fundie anti baby killer voter. 3. Uneducated racist rural voter. Group 3 is the base and groups 2 and 3 commonly overlap. I suppose that we have got so far away from WWII that the rise of Hitler is not understood or known by most. “It Can’t Happen Here” by Sinclair Lewis is difficult to read today because it is so telling. One thing that is encouraging to me is the number of white youth participating in the BLM movement and the young people that identify as Antifa and putting themselves in harms way to oppose racism and nationalism. |
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Post by daneaux on Nov 19, 2020 11:28:50 GMT -6
"You quoted Gavin but you should watch the full interview with Joe Rogan and you will see that he does not believe all the things you have attributed to him."
I only attributed what he said to him. That means one thing, not "all the things". And it is a direct quote of his words. If he doesn't believe them, he shouldn't say them.
They were here in Richmond, carrying their replacement dicks around the Capitol protesting the alleged revision of history that allowed the removal of the Confederate Statues. Yes, it is a revision of history from what was written by white supremacists to preserve white supremacy after justly losing an unjust war.
The Proud Boys are racists. They can try to hide in by saying they are not, but there are a few of us left who know that know the difference between a turd and a Baby Ruth.
RAYCESS!
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Post by daneaux on Nov 19, 2020 11:43:26 GMT -6
"I suppose that we have got so far away from WWII that the rise of Hitler is not understood or known by most."
I have said similar things so many times in the last year, that I am sick of saying it. We are a country of pussies that would have lost WWII because of selfish refusal to make sacrifice for the common good. Punks like the Proud Boys don't recognize that there are limits to our freedom.
We see people rioting in the streets and say that they should only be peacefully protesting without even thinking about WHY they are resorting to violence. They are resorting to violence because peaceful protest has failed to deliver true emancipation for 157 years now. They are resorting to violence because they don't see any opportunity for their children to improve their lives and escape generational poverty. They are burning their neighborhoods because they feel like they are not really theirs.
Sorry for the ramble. There's just so much to #%&* about these days and it's all so closely related that the gripes overlap.
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Post by okie on Nov 19, 2020 12:18:57 GMT -6
Tolerance is overrated.
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Post by x on Nov 19, 2020 14:16:50 GMT -6
2020 has reduced Danny to rambling. And it's turned me into Howard Huges. I need to clip my nails and empty those bottles of piss.
What's the over/under on pardons that will be granted before Cheeto leaves office?
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Post by daneaux on Nov 19, 2020 15:20:57 GMT -6
I wouldn't say that I just started rambling in 2020.
I just got better at it.
I can't remember the exact numbers right now, but the number of pardons will exactly match the number of judges rubber stamped for him by McConnell.
From memory
3 Supreme's
53 Appellate
168 District Ct.
So I'm going with ummmmm
Can you help me out with the math, Okie?
( I looked the numbers up)
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Post by okie on Nov 19, 2020 17:31:49 GMT -6
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Post by Mahatma__Ganhdi on Nov 19, 2020 18:03:05 GMT -6
The Southern Poverty Law Center defines Proud Boys as a white nationalist group. They tried to smear Maajid Nawaz. They have serious credibility issues and should not be take too seriously because a lot of their research is sketchy and begs the question. |
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Post by Mahatma__Ganhdi on Nov 19, 2020 18:08:32 GMT -6
"I only attributed what he said to him."
Out of the context of that discussion.
"They are resorting to violence because peaceful protest has failed to deliver true emancipation for 157 years now."
Then they are grossly mistaken about how to further their cause.
"they don't see any opportunity for their children to improve their lives and escape generational poverty."
Then they are grossly mistaken about what opportunity is truly there for them.
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Post by okie on Nov 19, 2020 19:20:24 GMT -6
The Southern Poverty Law Center defines Proud Boys as a white nationalist group. They tried to smear Maajid Nawaz. They have serious credibility issues and should not be take too seriously because a lot of their research is sketchy and begs the question. I will go with them, no offense. |
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Post by Mahatma__Ganhdi on Nov 20, 2020 9:25:14 GMT -6
Then you accept their biases and shoddy research and smear campaigns? That should offend you.
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