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Post by daneaux on Jul 26, 2019 9:37:50 GMT -6
It wasn't a comparison of ideology but you can use whatever group you want. You can't impeach someone for the way they think. Especially if they were elected for that very reason.
You can impeach them if those thoughts lead them to take impeachable actions.
And this Fascist mother&%$er has.
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Post by Mahatma__Ganhdi on Jul 26, 2019 13:32:08 GMT -6
"The moral argument is take a necessary evil now to spare yourself a more perilous evil in the future." Clearly. That's why I am writing to Democratic Members of Congress to tell them that not only do they have a duty to begin impeachment and that we have their backs come election day; but that if they ignore this imperative, we don't. "If they ignore"? Meaning we vote for whom? |
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Post by Mahatma__Ganhdi on Jul 26, 2019 13:34:24 GMT -6
I don't think we can impeach a Fascist just because he's a Fascist anymore than we could impeach a Socialist just because he's a Socialist. We can impeach either because of acts they take. Maybe there are a whole bunch of closet Fascists out there who have not committed crimes because of their beliefs. They are no more guilty of a crime for their thoughts than a Cubs fan is. Maybe even less so. Maybe there is a program that convinces Fascists that they are not Fascists just like the ones that convince s that they are not . Socialism and fascism is not a very good comparison. Fascism and Stalinism is more apt. Pedantic and missing the point. |
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Post by Mahatma__Ganhdi on Jul 26, 2019 13:38:01 GMT -6
Trump isn't a fascist, he only plays one on TV. I think you give him too much credit. He is ONLY about ratings. Sure, there is some truth under the hood, but he is not a deep enough thinker to be more than ratings. |
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Post by Mahatma__Ganhdi on Jul 26, 2019 13:39:36 GMT -6
"The moral argument is take a necessary evil now to spare yourself a more perilous evil in the future." Clearly. That's why I am writing to Democratic Members of Congress to tell them that not only do they have a duty to begin impeachment and that we have their backs come election day; but that if they ignore this imperative, we don't. But what if the necessary evil now is NOT to impeach? |
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Post by okie on Jul 26, 2019 14:52:41 GMT -6
Socialism and fascism is not a very good comparison. Fascism and Stalinism is more apt. Pedantic and missing the point. Just making an ideological distinction. |
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Post by okie on Jul 26, 2019 14:54:49 GMT -6
"The moral argument is take a necessary evil now to spare yourself a more perilous evil in the future." Clearly. That's why I am writing to Democratic Members of Congress to tell them that not only do they have a duty to begin impeachment and that we have their backs come election day; but that if they ignore this imperative, we don't. But what if the necessary evil now is NOT to impeach? My point is that he is not smart enough to operate with any intelligent design. He is what he is... and what his father was. |
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Post by Mahatma__Ganhdi on Jul 28, 2019 19:47:59 GMT -6
He is Pavlov.
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Post by daneaux on Jul 29, 2019 8:55:30 GMT -6
"Meaning we vote for whom?"
Buzzkill!
Here in the 7th we have Abigail Spanberger who we elected as the first Dem in my memory which is not too bad in the long term. We had another really strong candidate in the Primary who I wrote to and said that in just about any other election, he would get my vote.
Dan Ward. War hero, farmer, family man, 2nd Amend guy with reason, smart guy, fiscal conservative... His big mistake was running against a highly qualified woman in 2018.
There was also the Libertarian candidate, Joe Walton. He's another one who would probably make a really good Congressman but a terrible candidate. Plus he's already proven himself with 1.4% of the voters in 2018.
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Post by daneaux on Jul 29, 2019 9:07:40 GMT -6
"The moral argument is take a necessary evil now to spare yourself a more perilous evil in the future." Clearly. That's why I am writing to Democratic Members of Congress to tell them that not only do they have a duty to begin impeachment and that we have their backs come election day; but that if they ignore this imperative, we don't. But what if the necessary evil now is NOT to impeach? The current necessity is not evil. It's required by the Constitution. Not impeaching is evil because they would be giving a political calculation priority over the very essence of the law. If I heard right, when impeachment proceedings against Nixon began in 1974, there was 19% support by the public for impeachment. They have to do it and make the Republicans in the Senate stand up for Donald Trump and say that what he did wasn't criminal. They can't honestly listen to the evidence just in the Mueller Report and conclude otherwise. And there are mountains of supporting evidence from the OSC investigation as well as the 13 other active grand jury investigations. Plus the SDNY and the EDVA have already tried several cases and have plenty of other investigations going on. When John Dean testified as Nixon's White House Counsel on July 11, 1974, Nixon was gone in 33 days. How long do you think Trump would last if Don McGahn testified? |
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Post by daneaux on Jul 29, 2019 9:11:34 GMT -6
"He is what he is... and what his father was."
Don't forget Grandpa Drumpf, the pimp.
It's the only history that Trump knows.
You see, in the late 1800's the Germans were sending their worst to America. They were rapists and murderers and drug dealers...and some of them were fine people. The Pimps, for example.
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Post by Mahatma__Ganhdi on Jul 30, 2019 15:54:48 GMT -6
"Not impeaching is evil because they would be giving a political calculation priority over the very essence of the law."
I get that. My question is, what if that is the lesser evil? Then it is a moral decision NOT to impeach.
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Post by okie on Jul 30, 2019 21:14:39 GMT -6
I’m not in favor of impeachment. He needs to be voted out and put in prison with a Democratic POTUS.
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Post by daneaux on Jul 31, 2019 9:09:59 GMT -6
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Post by daneaux on Aug 16, 2019 8:28:16 GMT -6
Listening to Drumpf talk yesterday about Tliab and Omar made me think how much his policy is like a country music song.
Just pick a theme, create a catch phrase, and repeat it over and over. The veracity of the theme or the catch phrase doesn't even matter as long as you repeat it often enough for it to get engraved into peoples minds.
His theme for that one is that they hate Jews.
That's based simply on the fact that they were critical of the Israeli government.
The problem is that the Israeli government chooses to be Jewish so you literally cannot criticize the Israeli government and not be critical of Jews.
This near exemption from criticism on religious grounds is an advantage that Israel has exploited since their founding and people in the US and the rest of the world need to recognize that not everything that Israel does is beyond reproach because of some God-given right.
You can criticize Israel without being anti-Semetic.
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