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Post by x on May 27, 2018 15:40:10 GMT -6
shhhh. okie is attention-whoring |
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Post by okie on May 27, 2018 16:02:03 GMT -6
I don't know what the &%$ ya'll would do without me.
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Post by Mahatma__Ganhdi on May 27, 2018 17:02:58 GMT -6
"To compare the concept of God to the tooth fairy is the kind is shallow semantics that make atheists look ridiculous."
Fine. Take my tooth fairy example above and replace every instance of the tooth fairy with god.
"Can you explain anything that happened before the Big Bang? I seriously doubt it."
If I gave an explanation would you believe me?
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Post by okie on May 27, 2018 17:10:43 GMT -6
If you gave me an explanation I would highly doubt it.
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Post by Mahatma__Ganhdi on May 27, 2018 18:27:46 GMT -6
Would you believe it was true? This is a yes or no question.
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Post by okie on May 27, 2018 19:25:56 GMT -6
Pressed to choose I would say no.
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Post by Mahatma__Ganhdi on May 27, 2018 20:49:10 GMT -6
Well, there you go. And there would be no reason to believe it. That's atheism. Some people postulate something there is no reason to believe so I don't believe. Maybe they are right but I doubt it. I don't believe in the tooth fairy either. No reason to believe that.
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Post by okie on May 27, 2018 21:13:01 GMT -6
"Well there you go"... what? I am not pressed to choose whether to believe in God or not. Based upon evidence and scientific method, we simply do not know. We do not know the origin of life. We do not know what dark matter is. We don't know if neutrinos have mass. We do not know what consciousness is. We do not know what happens after we die. We do not know if God exists or not and I feel no need to draw a conclusion on any of these things without conclusive evidence.
For every mystery science solves there are many new mysteries discovered. To assume closure without significant evidence to draw the conclusion is foolish.
I find the existence of any God highly unlikely.
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Post by Mahatma__Ganhdi on May 28, 2018 5:18:07 GMT -6
"without conclusive evidence"
Strawman fallacy. You keep trying to smuggle that into the core atheist position. It isn't in there.
You believe plenty of things without conclusive evidence.
The atheist core position is from the philosophy of Scepticism, i.e. not to believe in gods without sufficient evidence. And since there is no evidence, that makes the claim very easy to dismiss.
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Post by okie on May 28, 2018 7:51:37 GMT -6
There is no fallacy at all.
There is a difference in stating anything as an absolute and stating it with the remote possibility.
You are basically now arguing for inaccuracy. The scientific method does not eliminate any possibility, regardless of its likelihood. To say, "there is no God" is inaccurate and often arrogant.
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Post by okie on May 28, 2018 8:01:00 GMT -6
One reason I find it highly unlikely that there is a god because throughout history everything that was unknown was attributed to God or the devil and that belief has only been proven to be wrong. It has never been proven to be correct. However, that does not mean it will always be so, but it is a pattern that cannot be ignored except by blind faith (which I do not have).
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Post by Mahatma__Ganhdi on May 28, 2018 9:39:50 GMT -6
"There is a difference in stating anything as an absolute and stating it with the remote possibility."
Strawman fallacy, again. This is not the atheist position.
Scepticism, etc., see above. Ibid, whatever.
We are not anywhere close to having an absolute understanding of gravity, but we sure as heck believe in it. We have good evidence of its existence and that evidence allows us to make predictions.
Belief in gods requires faith without sufficient evidence, or in this case any evidence.
I have sufficient reason to believe in gravity, insufficient reason to believe in the tooth fairy, and no reasons to believe in gods. So I believe in the former and do not believe in the latter two. We cannot have absolute knowledge of anything. To quote some Greek dude that may not have actually existed, what I do not know I do not think I know.
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Post by okie on May 28, 2018 12:56:40 GMT -6
"We cannot have absolute knowledge of anything"
Laughable
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Post by Mahatma__Ganhdi on May 28, 2018 13:29:17 GMT -6
"We cannot have absolute knowledge of anything" Laughable I agree, but it is your argument. I simply concede that the brain in a vat type scenarios have no answer. I just don't believe them. I would like to form a club for adherents of hard solipsism. There are so few of us around. |
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Post by okie on May 28, 2018 14:36:39 GMT -6
"I would like to form a club for adherents of hard solipsism. There are so few of us around."
Hard to argue against
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