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Post by Mahatma__Ganhdi on Mar 27, 2019 6:18:58 GMT -6
If you are so successful in obstructing justice that your crime goes undetected, then the obstruction is not a crime either. Obstruction of ANY investigation should be a crime I'm not following you. A criminal act is a criminal act whether or not the State can prove it or even if no one finds out about it. |
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Post by daneaux on Mar 27, 2019 9:36:38 GMT -6
But in this case, Trump obstructed the investigation so well that the crime was unprovable. Because there was no proof of the crime, Mueller couldn't make a conclusion on whether it is possible for him to have obstructed justice, then kicked it up to the un-independant political appointees who concluded that it's not a crime to obstruct an investigation if you successfully cover up the crime.
Maybe I am misunderstanding the ruling, though. Hopefully, we will find out the entire story, right?
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Post by Mahatma__Ganhdi on Mar 27, 2019 11:44:27 GMT -6
I think Mueller handed in the report and left it to the judgement of the Justice Dept and Congress to determine if there is enough evidence to take action.
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Post by daneaux on Mar 27, 2019 13:53:42 GMT -6
As I understand it, Mueller did not find sufficient evidence of collusion or conspiracy with the Russian Government and was unsure as to whether obstruction of justice could occur if there was no proven crime. Barr and Rosenstein then reasoned that since there had been no crime, there could be no obstruction. That last sentence may have been an inference from a "legal analyst" and in the end may not have been their line of reasoning. I hope not because it will give free rein to obstruction of further investigations.
As to whose judgement he left it to, it's just the DoJ, not Congress. This is not conducted under the same laws that Ken Starr and Jaworski/Cox worked under. This "Special Counsel" now reports to the DoJ instead of Congress. Barr characterized the report as confidential and his promise to provide as much as he can is going to prove inadequate, I'm afraid. We're not going to see it without a court battle all the way to the top.
Or a Deep Throat.
An election is going to be the quickest and least painful way to get rid of Trump. At least we have a divided Congress now. Get used to hearing about big wins in the House for bills that don't even come up for a vote in the Senate. We've got at least another two years of it but at least we can limit the damage this $)@ can do.
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Post by x on Mar 27, 2019 14:55:39 GMT -6
Anyone see this nugget? It made the rounds on Reddit
The transcripts are chock full of win.
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Post by Mahatma__Ganhdi on Mar 27, 2019 17:02:39 GMT -6
"An election is going to be the quickest and least painful way to get of Trump."
As I said early on in this thread.
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Post by Mahatma__Ganhdi on Apr 12, 2019 17:09:20 GMT -6
Julian Assange should be given a Presidential Pardon. The argument that he didn't ask for an opposing view before publishing damning material is logically flawed and is an argument made by simpletons.
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Post by okie on Apr 12, 2019 17:36:38 GMT -6
Julian Assange should be given a Presidential Pardon. The argument that he didn't ask for an opposing view before publishing damning material is logically flawed and is an argument made by simpletons. He is accused of assisting in hacking classified data. |
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Post by okie on Apr 12, 2019 17:40:02 GMT -6
"An election is going to be the quickest and least painful way to get of Trump." As I said early on in this thread. I predict he will not go. He will fight and his base will do anything to help him. Trump is a fascist. He checks every box. Thankfully he is not a very good one and not real bright. |
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Post by Mahatma__Ganhdi on Apr 12, 2019 18:48:24 GMT -6
I am against classified material if it is covering up criminal acts by a government. This is why we have laws protecting whistleblowers.
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Post by okie on Apr 13, 2019 19:36:19 GMT -6
Whistle blower and thief are two different things. Assange is a thief.
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Post by Mahatma__Ganhdi on Apr 14, 2019 9:26:34 GMT -6
No, he published information acquired from a whistleblower. Chelsea Manning, formerly known as Eli, served time for the theft.
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Post by Mahatma__Ganhdi on Apr 14, 2019 9:33:58 GMT -6
Stealing information that exposes the criminal acts of a Government is an act of Patriotism. Manning is a hero. Her birthday should be made a national holiday, CTO.
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Post by okie on Apr 14, 2019 14:26:09 GMT -6
Quit being silly.
She was not a hacker. She was instructed by the thief. This is not really disputable. I mean it will be tried, but there is communique the the FBI has had for years.
They both should rot in jail.
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Post by daneaux on Apr 15, 2019 9:09:34 GMT -6
The President of the United States of America is using words out of context and outright lies to goad his followers to take violent action against a duly elected Member of Congress.
Anyone who cares to listen to the context of her comments can divine their meaning for themselves.
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